Toyota GT86 e Subaru BRZ - Novo desportivo

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Kaizen

Mais uma boa noticia:

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/toyota/gt-86/59181/toyota-gt-86-vs-rivals



Toyota is returning to its sports car roots – but is the all-new GT 86 a match for key rivals from Audi and Nissan?

Some cars are so enjoyable from behind the wheel that you drive them purely for fun. It's something that's been lacking from Toyotas of late, but the new GT 86 is set to change that.

Designed to offer a classic sports car experience, the GT 86 takes inspiration from some of the great Toyota sports cars of the past, including the 2000GT and Celica. It was developed in partnership with Subaru, and the rear-wheel-drive, boxer-engined coupe promises thrill-a-minute motoring.

But it faces stiff competition. The Audi TT is hard to ignore, especially as the entry-level 1.8 TFSI makes it more affordable than ever. Plus it's great to drive and cheap to run.

For old-school excitement, there's little to beat the Nissan 370Z. It costs more than the GT 86, but it offers big V6 performance and traditional rear-drive handling.

We headed for some of the best roads in the UK to see which one of our contenders takes the top spot.

Verdict

The Toyota GT 86 is a back-to-basics sports car that follows a classic recipe to deliver a smile-a-minute driving experience. It's the sort of car that makes you seek out a twisty road rather than take the direct route – and it wins this test.

But only by the smallest of margins – because we think the 1.8 TFSI is the best TT in the range. The engine is punchy, refined and efficient. The Audi handles like a hot hatch, plus it's comfortable, has a great cabin and is cheaper to own than its rivals.

However, the fact that the agile Toyota is surprisingly refined and easy to live with narrowly keeps it ahead of the stylish TT. Unfortunately, aside from its power advantage, the more expensive Nissan 370Z is comprehensively outclassed and comes third. Toyota has proved that it has rediscovered some of its sparkle and the GT 86 is our pick.

Winner: Toyota GT 86 ★★★★★
The beautifully engineered GT 86 offers the sort of engagement normally reserved for cars like the Lotus Elise. The boxer engine loves working hard and the handling is near perfect. Yet despite its focus it rides well, and the cabin is comfortable, if a little dated.

2nd: Audi TT ★★★★★
It doesn't have the traditional rear-wheel-drive balance and engagement of the Toyota, but the front-driven TT is composed, fast and fun. Part coupe, part stylised hot hatch, its lower emissions make it the best company car choice, and with a decent boot, it's the most practical.

3rd: Nissan 370Z ★★★
On paper, the rear-wheel-drive, V6-engined Nissan has all the right ingredients to succeed in this test. Unfortunately its gruff engine, hefty weight and poorly controlled chassis let it down. Although it's the fastest car here, it's also the most expensive to buy and own.
Rui Coelho
Associado AJA Nº1

Kaizen

E da mesma revista:



Our verdict on the tuned version of the Toyota GT 86 coupe - so is it worth the £15,000 premium?
Verdict 4

We love the Toyota GT 86 – and the prospect of an even more sporty version is a tantalising one. The range of TRD parts is well chosen and really adds to the appeal of this back-to-basics rear-wheel-drive coupe. However, we'd urge Toyota to try to keep a lid on the cost of these extras – specify the whole lot and you could be faced with a big bill for mostly cosmetic changes.

It's one of our favourite sports cars of 2012 so far, but even we think Toyota's GT 86 could do with some extra spice. And that's just what this version brings.

The GT 86 TRD is the work of the Toyota Racing Development performance division, and gets a whole host of upgrades designed to ratchet up the excitement.

They also increase the price. Add all the performance parts this car has and you'd be looking at a bill of around £40,000. Given that the standard model – tested on Page 50 – carries a £24,995 price tag, is the TRD worth the huge £15,000 extra?

Well, you certainly get head-turning looks. TRD has developed its own aggressive bodykit, which comprises a lower front spoiler, side skirts, a redesigned rear spoiler and rear diffuser along with racy new 18-inch alloy wheels, painted black. These are wrapped in 225/40-section tyres, which are larger and wider than the standard model's 215/45-section R17s.

The braking modifications will also excite driving enthusiasts, as they include huge six-piston front and four-piston rear calipers, all in a dramatic shade of red, while the suspension is upgraded with four-way adjustable dampers.

Inside are new sports seats and a raft of TRD badges for the push-button starter and gearlever. The one area that's left relatively untouched is the engine, as the only additions to boost our test car's performance were a new exhaust system – just check out those dramatic quad pipes at the rear – and a TRD air filter.

Toyota couldn't confirm whether these tweaks boosted power by much, although such a set-up usually adds about 10bhp, which would take power from 197bhp to around 207bhp.

With the added weight of the new bodykit and larger wheels, we'd expect any improvement in straight-line speed to be negated anyway, leaving the 0-62mph time at around 7.6 seconds.

On the move, the GT 86 TRD doesn't have the low-rev punch of a turbocharged hot hatch like the new 247bhp Ford Focus ST; instead it thrives on revs. The slick six-speed manual gearbox makes it easy to keep the engine on the boil, though, while the new exhaust system adds a sportier note.

Our brief test took place at the Goodwood Festival of Speed and we could feel the suspension changes on our run up the famous hill. We could carry lots of speed through the tight, tricky corners and the GT 86 was even more agile than the standard car.

Is all this worth £40,000, though? You'd have to be a dedicated enthusiast to think so, particularly when you could have a Porsche Boxster for about £36,500. In fairness, Toyota is still deciding on how to offer the TRD package to customers, and it looks likely that buyers will be able to pick and choose from a wide range of parts. So you could just add the wheels (£850 each at the moment!), or the upgraded brakes or a boot spoiler. Or dig deep and have the whole lot.

We think Toyota needs to give the GT 86 far more performance to justify a large increase to the price tag, although it's possible more engine tuning could be available by the time the TRD parts hit dealers in January.

Whatever happens, having a great range of tuning options certainly boosts the appeal of one of our favourite coupes.
Key specs

    Price: £40,000 (est)
    Engine: 2.0-litre 4cyl boxer
    Transmission: Six-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
    Power: 207bhp
    0-62mph: 7.6 seconds

    Top speed: 140mph
    Economy: 36.2mpg
    CO2: 181g/km
    Equipment: Uprated brakes, 18-inch alloy wheels, adjustable dampers, bodykit, quad exhausts
    On sale: January 2013

Rui Coelho
Associado AJA Nº1

Kaizen

#137
Rui Coelho
Associado AJA Nº1

RuisukeSan

Eu ainda não o vi ao vivo ou conduzi mas depois de ler o artigo do Pedro Silva na última Autohoje (edição de dia 26 de Julho de 2012), fiquei ainda mais curioso... :)

Sem dúvida um carro a experimentar e quem sabe daqui a 12 ou 13 anos, quando ninguém os quiser, comprar um...  :lol
Cumprimentos,

Ruisuke San

Camry 2200

#139
- Estreia europeia dos acessórios TRD Performance para o Toyota GT86
- Componentes aerodinâmicos para a frente, lateral e traseira reduzem a distância ao solo e melhoram a estabilidade a elevadas velocidades
- Chassis com novos componentes - suspensão, travões, motor e sistema de escape - melhoram ainda mais a performance


Uma nova gama de acessórios TRD Performance disponíveis para o novo Toyota GT86 faz a sua estreia na Europa durante o Salão Automóvel de Paris de 2012.

Fundada em 1954, a TRD (Toyota Racing Development) vem concebendo no Japão peças de elevada performance para veículos Toyota há mais de meio século. O GT86 também foi alvo dos engenheiros da TRD desenvolvendo peças para incrementar as performances e a aerodinâmica, as quais estão agora disponíveis na Europa pela primeira vez.

Um Toyota GT86 equipado com os acessórios TRD Performance vai estar em exposição no Salão de Paris 2012 exibindo parte do vasto rol de componentes mecânicos e de elementos para o exterior e interior do desportivo Toyota. As peças TRD estão disponíveis individualmente.

Interior com aspeto mais desportivo e Exterior com aerodinâmica melhorada

Está disponível uma gama de peças aerodinâmicas em cor branco em preto ou por pintar (apenas com camada de primária) de forma a serem adaptadas a qualquer GT86, independentemente da cor exterior. Entre vários itens, inclui um defletor de ar dianteiro, saias laterais, defletor de ar traseiro e um defletor traseiro inferior.

Um conjunto difusor traseiro em aço inoxidável ajuda a controlar eficazmente a elevação da carroçaria a elevadas velocidades e incorpora quatro perfis para gerir o fluxo de ar, visando um aumento da estabilidade em linha reta.

Uma robusta tampa do depósito de combustível em metal prateado apresenta detalhes desportivos como nos parafusos hexagonais. Estão disponíveis dois tipos de jantes TRD, ambas de 18" em alumínio. Desenhadas para utilização com o Kit de Travões TRD, as jantes forjadas SF2 combinam peso leve com elevada rigidez e ao mesmo tempo reduzem as massas não suspensas para melhorar a manobrabilidade do veículo. A roda TF& fundida é uma evolução do estilizado e muito popular desenho da jante TRD TF4 de 10 raios.

Entre as peças TRD para o interior destacam-se o botão para ligar o motor na consola central e um novo punho da alavanca do seletor de velocidades. Revestido em pele verdadeira, o seletor agora mais pequeno vê melhorada a aderência da palma da mão, , além de superior capacidade de dissipação do calor.

Peças que aumentam a performance

O chassis do GT86 pode ser melhorado com um amortecedores ajustáveis e Molas de Suspensão específicas, permitindo que a altura do veículo seja alterada. O mecanismo de ajuste de amortecimento com 40 regulações assegura definições apropriadas para cada tipo e contexto de condução. Este sistema totalmente regulável preserva as condições ideais em todo o curso de suspensão e comprimento da mola. Afinado para trabalhar em harmonia com a Suspensão TRD, o conjunto de barras estabilizadoras dianteira e traseira otimiza o rolamento da carroçaria e em complemento uma barra anti aproximação em fibra de carbono ajuda a tirar todo o partido da performance da suspensão, ao controlar a flexão na secção superior das torres da suspensão frente.

O desempenho do chassis pode ainda ser melhorado através de um conjunto de barras ligados a pontos estratégicos. Concebido em aço de elevada resistência, estas barras colocadas por baixo unem os pontos essenciais da suspensão dianteira e traseira (braços) e também da caixa de direção, conseguindo-se maximizar todo o potencial da suspensão.

Uma estreia na indústria são os fechos de portas TRD que utilizam um mecanismo de deslizamento para preencher automaticamente a folga na zona do batente da porta. A eliminação desta folga melhora de forma significativa a rigidez torcional da carroçaria para uma otimizada resposta da direção e da suspensão.

A eficácia da travagem pode ser aumentada através de um Kit de Travões TRD. O sistema usa discos de 355 mm à frente e de 345 mm atrás e pinças vermelhas monobloco da Brembo para oferecer uma potência de travagem agressiva, isenta de fadiga e típica de veículos de competição.

Os tubos estão integrados no Kit de Travões TRD, mas estão igualmente disponíveis em separado, para melhorar a performance do sistema de travagem de série do GT86. Beneficiando da experiência na competição e altamente fiáveis, a sua construção entrançada em aço inoxidável evita a deterioração dos tubos ou a sua expansão devido ao aquecimento, resultando uma sensação de travagem mais segura e direta, mesmo sob as mais extremas condições de circuito.

Um melhorado conjunto de Pastilhas de Travagem está igualmente disponível para complementar o sistema de travagem de série.

Estão disponíveis filtros de óleo e de ar de competição e uma nova tampa de radiador dispõe de uma maior pressão de abertura de válvula que, por seu turno, incrementa a pressão dentro do radiador, elevando o ponto de ebulição para controlar de forma mais eficaz as bolhas de ar e melhorar a eficácia de refrigeração do radiador.

Uma panela de escape, com quatro saídas, foi desenhada para se adaptar ao defletor de ar TRD na Traseira, assim como ao difusor traseiro em aço inoxidável. Esta foi afinada para gerar uma nota desportiva e bem presente ao som de escape, bem apropriada à tradição TRD.

Lista de peças TRD disponíveis na Europa:

Defletor de ar dianteiro / Saia lateral / Defletor traseiro na bagageira
Defletor traseiro no para-choques / Difusor traseiro




Panela de escape de alto rendimento



Kit de travões TRD /Kit tubos travões /Pastilhas de travões dianteiros
Pastilhas de travões traseiros



Conjunto de amortecedores /Conjunto de molas helicoidais
Conjunto de estabilizadoras / Barra anti aproximação frontal da torre de suspensão /Braços de reforço do chassis / Fechos de portas TRD

Tampa do radiador / Filtro de óleo de competição /Filtro de ar de competição
Tampa do depósito de combustível / Seletor da caixa de velocidades (para caixa manual e caixa automática)


Logo TRD no botão para ligar o motor / Jantes em liga leve A (18" forjadas/fundidas)



Suporte para chapa de matrícula dianteira

Miguel Vale - Associado AJA Nº69

dms

ない明日がないかのように毎日住んでいる!
Diogo Dimas

Darkk Pilot

Este GT86 deve ser o único carro no mundo, que me deixa confuso para além do infinito.

Por muito que olhe para ele, e decida "vou comprar um ca**** destes", não consigo.....

Bah!!!
"Truly Superior Pilots are those who use their Superior Judgement to avoid those situations where they have to use their Superior Skills.

Camry 2200

Por acaso comigo é ao contrário, embora ainda não tenha visto nenhum ao vivo :( gosto de tudo! Se um dia o experimentar se calhar vou ficar doente! :lol
Miguel Vale - Associado AJA Nº69

Camry 2200

Miguel Vale - Associado AJA Nº69

Earthp

"Carismático 2000 GT-i"   Começou bem :lol

Kaizen

#145
E o "Teste" + o "Drive", dois idiomas diferentes na mesma expressão! Não é fácil.

Confesso que desisti a meio, fiquei confuso porque pensei que estavam a apresentar o Citroen Aygo.
Mas destaco os "6,6kgs por cavalo que dão ainda mais segurança ao carro".
Rui Coelho
Associado AJA Nº1

Camry 2200

#146
Já previa estes comentários!

Da minha parte repeti o video 3 vezes quando ouvi: "...atinge uma velocidade dos 0 aos 100 em 7.6s."  :tijolos WTF ???
Miguel Vale - Associado AJA Nº69

Santos Silva

A Cátia é boa rapariga (conheço-a há uns anos), esforçada e até fez um trabalho meritório mas, esqueceu-se que o GT 86 não é um carro para ir às compras...
Aprendeu bem a lição na formação que recebeu no Autodromo do Algarve e debitou toda essa informação neste video, tirando umas gafes aqui e ali e que já referiram.

Esta é a geração de responsáveis e comerciais que a marca tem... não conhecem o passado da marca e o 2000 GT devia ter uma foto pendurada na parede de cada Stand como os crucifixos que existiam nas salas de aulas no tempo que por lá passei: devia ser venerado!
Santos Silva
Sócio Fundador nº7

balkaum

#148
Não colocando em causa o valor pessoal nem profissional da pessoa, mas perdeu uma excelente oportunidade para estar calada.

Kaizen

O Papa pronunciou-se sobre o GT86:  8)

Source: www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/ingear/clarkson/article1129938.ece
www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18701

Toyota GT86: Ooh, it feels good to wear my superhero outfit again
Jeremy Clarkson Published: 23 September 2012

In the olden days, when people had diphtheria and children were covered in soot, cars had skinny little tyres so that enthusiastic drivers could have fun making them slither about on roundabouts.

Nowadays, though, it's all about grip. Fast Fords are fitted with front differentials to ensure you can keep a tight line, even when you are doing 1,000mph through a mountain hairpin. Then you have the Nissan GT-R, which uses the computing power of a stock exchange to make the same mountain hairpin doable at the speed of sound.

In fact, all modern cars cling to the road like a frightened toddler clings onto its mother's hand. In some ways this is no bad thing. It means the befuddled and the weak are less likely to spin off and hit a tree. And it means the helmsmen among us can post faster lap times on track days.

But is that what you want? Really? Because when the grip does run out, you will be travelling at such a rate that you will have neither the talent nor the time to get everything back in order before you slam into a telegraph pole. If you are trying to win a race, high cornering speeds are important. But if you are not, they're frightening.

For the business of going fast, a Nissan GT-R is unbeatable. But for fun — and I am not exaggerating here — you would be better off in a Morris Minor on cross-plies.

Which brings me neatly to the door of this week's test car. It's called the Toyota GT86 and it's been built in a collaboration with Subaru, which is selling an almost identical machine called the BRZ. Unlike most coupés, such as the Ford Capri, Volkswagen Scirocco and Vauxhall Calibra, the GT86 is not a hatchback in a party frock. It is not a marketing exercise designed to relieve the style-conscious of their surplus cash. It isn't even very good-looking. Or practical. The boot is large enough for things, but you can forget about putting anyone in the back, even children. Unless they've no legs or heads.

Power? Well, it has a 2-litre boxer engine — Subaru's contribution — which delivers 197 brake horsepower. That's not very much. But because the car weighs just 1,275kg and the engine is so revvy, you'll hit 62mph in 7.6 seconds and a top speed of 140mph. It could almost be mistaken for a hot hatch.

But there's no mistaking the noise. This car is loud, and not in a particularly nice way. There's no crisp exhaust note, no induction wheezing. It's just the sound of petrol exploding in a metal box.

The interior is nothing to write home about, either. You get what you need by way of equipment — air-conditioning, stereo, cupholders and so on — but there's no sense of style or beauty. Apart from a bit of red stitching here and there, it all feels utilitarian, the product of a bean counter's lowest-bidder wet dream. So, there is nothing about this car, either on paper or in the showroom, that is going to tickle the tickly bits of Clint Thrust, the lantern-jawed hero from the planet Oversteer. And yet there is, because, unlike most cars of its type, the GT86 is rear-wheel drive. Rear drive in a car is like a roux in cooking. Yes, you can use cheap'n'easy cornflour front-wheel drive, but if you want the best results you have to go the extra mile. You have to fit a prop shaft. And a differential.

In a rear-drive car the front wheels are left to get on with the job of steering while those at the back handle the business of propulsion. It's expensive to make a car this way, and complicated, but the end result will be better, more balanced.

And now we get to the nub of Toyota's genius. The company fitted the GT86 with the same skinny little tyres it uses on the Prius. And what this means is that there is very little grip. You turn into a corner at what by modern standards is a pedestrian speed, and immediately you feel the tail start to slide.

So you let it go a little bit, and when the angle is just so, you find a throttle position that keeps it there. For ever. You are power-sliding, you are grinning like an ape and you are doing about 13mph. Which means that if you do make a mess of it and you're heading for a tree, you can open the door and get out.

You won't make a mess of it, though, because the steering is perfectly weighted and full of juicy feel. I promise. The GT86 will unlock a talent you didn't know you had. It will unleash your hero gene and you will never want to drive any other sort of car ever again.
No, really. Put some cotton wool in your ears, snick the old-feeling snick-snick box down into second, stand hard on the astoundingly good brakes, wish you'd used more cotton wool as the boxer engine roars, turn the wheel, feel the back start to go and it's like being back in the time of the Mk 1 Ford Escort.

I'm sure that at this point many non-enthusiasts are wondering whether I've taken leave of my senses. Why, they will ask, would anyone want a noisy, impractical car that won't go round corners properly? Simple answer: if you're asking the question, the GT86 is not for you.
I suppose I could raise a safety question. Because, while its antics are a massive giggle on a track, I do wonder what will happen when it's raining and your head is full of other things and you try to go round a roundabout at 25mph. There's a time and a place for oversteer and I'm not sure 5.30pm in suburbia is it. Best in these circumstances, then, to turn the traction control on.

There's another issue, too. I'm willing to bet that some people will decide that the styling of the GT86 could be improved by fitting larger wheels and fatter tyres. Do not do this. Because while it may make the car more meaty to behold, it will ruin the recipe as surely as you would ruin a plate of cauliflower cheese by vomiting on it.

Frankly, I wouldn't change a thing about the GT86. Because it's so bland, it doesn't attract too much attention. You can therefore have fun without being marked out by passers-by as an anorak.

And now we get to the clincher. The GT86 costs less than £25,000 with manual transmission. That makes it cheaper than a Vauxhall Astra VXR. It makes it a Tiffany diamond for the price of a fairground lucky-dip prize.

It's strange. We thought purpose-designed coupés had gone. We thought wayward handling had gone. And we sure as hell thought genuinely good value had gone. But all three things are now back in one astonishing car. Perhaps the most interesting car to be launched since the original Mazda MX-5. I'm giving it five stars only because it's not possible to hand out more.

   :thumbsup
Rui Coelho
Associado AJA Nº1